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Thoughts about OW Alternatives

Now that I’ve finished my transcript of Part 1 and Part 2 of Alternative Approaches to Ordain Women on Mormon Stories, I thought I’d give a recap of my reactions to them.

Thanks OW!

I was struck that all 4 panelists (Fiona, Margaret, Neylan, Maxine) all appreciated Ordain Women for raising consciousness of the issue.  Maxine Hanks even went so far to say

what I love about Ordain Women is #1 they use the ‘o’ word. They’re acclimating us to the word ordain. That’s the right word. I love they’re doing that.

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Alternative Feminist Approaches to Ordain Women—Part 2

Here is Part 2 of the Mormon Stories podcast from John Dehlin, Margaret Young, Fiona Givens, Maxine Hanks, and Neylan McBaine. This comes from episode 444 posted on 10/16/2013. The transcript to Part 1 is found here.

Maxine, “It really is. Fiona and I are on the same wavelength in many ways. We both have the advantage of sort of many years outside of the church and then many years inside, so we have this perspective of the contrast between being in other faiths and being in the Mormon faith. Along with what she was saying, I was going to mention that Joseph answers this in the King Follett sermon when he’s sort of speaking or alluding to Alexander Campbell and the Stone-Campbell movement and explaining why the basic Christianity or even restorationist movements are not enough. Because Joseph both in that sermon but also in the Doctrine and Covenants reiterates through the revelation he receives in the Doctrine and Covenants that Mormonism has the Christianity, it has the sacraments, it has the seven sacraments that Catholicism and general Christianity has but it also has another dimension. Joseph describes this as the higher gospel, there’s another gospel that’s a higher gospel. There’s the lower gospel and the higher gospel, the lower priesthood and the higher priesthood.

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Alternative Feminist Approaches to Ordain Women–Part 1

At long last, here is a transcription of John Dehlin’s podcast from episode 443 posted on October 16, 2013.  In a recent post, Fiona Givens took exception to my characterization of her comments from her Mormon Stories interview from October.  I promised to transcribe the whole interview (but let me tip my hat to Brent Beal at Doves and Serpents who assisted me with a partial transcript—thanks Brent!)  Here is Part 1; I will post part 2 shortly.  I will leave this post as is, without my own editorial conversation, and will post a separate post (or a few posts) with my comments.  But feel free to give me your reactions–I’d love to hear them, and I’d be happy to engage your thoughts. Continue Reading »

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Kirtland Sunstone 2014

the Whitney store - Word of Wisdom was inspired here

the Whitney store – Word of Wisdom was inspired here

This is the first time I’ve ever attended Sunstone outside of Utah.  It was very fun to come to Kirtland, Ohio.  I got in Thursday night and went to the LDS visitors center where they start out with a film.  Joseph Smith came to Kirtland just 8 months or so after organizing the church in New York.  Four missionaries (among them Parley P. Pratt) had great success with Sidney Rigdon’s congregation and many joined there.  I was especially struck by the cameo of Elijah Abel, a black member of the church that the film showed clearly helped build the Kirtland Temple.

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Does Public Opinion Cause Revelation?

Russell Stevenson proclaimed on a Radio West interview last year that the priesthood and temple ban on black church members lasted so long because church members were as much to blame as church leaders.  I was one of the first to dismiss his idea.  As I’ve had time to think about it, I’m beginning to think that he might be on to something.

I am beginning to believe that church leaders only give revelation when the members want it.  When the Manifesto was received (Official Declaration 1), in part because many LDS members were tired of going to jail.  Official Declaration 2 was received after boycotts from the NAACP, as well as some internal discussions.  Currently, the LDS Church has justified the exclusion of women from the priesthood precisely because a 2011 Pew Research study claimed “90 percent [of women] opposed the ordination of women to the priesthood“.  President Hinckley stated in an interview that women weren’t “agitating” for the priesthood.  Well, what happens if women change their minds and start agitating?  Does that mean a revelation would be more imminent?

Yesterday in priesthood, someone mentioned that if a revelation was received, he would support it.  Until then, we should not agitate.  But as I stated in a previous post, nearly all revelation comes from agitation.  In fact, I can’t think of very many cases (except where God is correcting someone like Paul or Alma) in which a revelation was received that wasn’t agitated for.  Can you think of any?

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Hebrew in America?

It’s been a long time since I discussed Book of Mormon Geography Theories.  Every so often, I get an email from the FIRM Foundation.  Basically Rodney Meldrum has proposed a theory in which he believes that Joseph Smith has indicated that Book of Mormon lands are in America’s Heartland.  Meldrum believes that the Hopewell Indian mound builders are the ancestors of Book of Mormon peoples.

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Abraham for Liberals and Conservatives

The story of Abraham’s attempted sacrifice of Isaac is one of the most perplexing moral dilemmas in all of scripture.  It has long been held up as an example of Abraham’s faithfulness.  Orthodox members do not question the traditional interpretation of the story.  They seem to reason that if God wants you to do something, you should do it with unquestioned obedience.  I am not always an orthodox believer, so I find a lack of questioning the story quite unsatisfactory.

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Jabari Parker Announces his Decision

I wanted to post this excerpt from the most recent Sports Illustrated article.

Today I sent my letter of intent to the NBA. That makes it official — my days as a Duke basketball player are over.

But my days as a Duke student are not. I intend to graduate from Duke while I’m in the NBA. I was an honor student when I arrived at Duke, and I’d like to graduate as one.

BENEDICT: Parker is the best high school basketball player since LeBron James

I know some people will say this is unrealistic. Others will say, why bother? The fact is that I have many interests beyond basketball. I’d like to write a children’s book. I am interested in various business aspects of the entertainment industry. And I’d like to work with corporate America in one way or another. A college degree from Duke will help with each of these aspirations.

I’ve had to make one other major decision recently. It is well known that I belong to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, where it is common — even expected — to serve a two-year mission at age 19. I just turned 19. Continue Reading »

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Outsourcing Morality to Hollywood

The LDS Church has asked church members to avoid R rated movies for quite some time.  (For a little more background, here is my post that discussed the documentary Cleanflix.)  As I reviewed that post recently, some ironic things struck me.

Hollywood often gets cited as having questionable morals, producing filth, and contributing to the moral decay to society.  I don’t think that criticism is unfair.  Of course, they also put together some wonderful stories.  The Ten Commandments comes to mind, but even movies that aren’t overly religious are pretty good:  Remember the Titans, Hoosiers, Lincoln, and Apollo 13 are some pretty good, moral movies.  There are some people that are very strict in avoiding R-rated movies.  They didn’t see The Passion of the Christ back in 2004 strictly because it was rated R.  I was looking for a quote from a prominent LDS person that indicated that this was one of the few cases where the movie rating system failed, but I didn’t find it.  I did find something similar from this Times and Seasons article. Continue Reading »

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Oaks Lights up the Bloggernacle

Facebook was ablaze with comments about Elder Oaks General Conference talk on Saturday night.  Disappointed that the church website didn’t have a transcript, I created one so that we could better discuss what he actually said.  I decided to let that post stand on its own without any commentary.  But in this post, I will add my own commentary.

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